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I forward my mother's, Betsy
Herrick White, response to the afghan letter:
She is a scholar on women in Islam, her specialty being Pakistan
and Afghanistan.
Hi Eric,
Interesting comments, though I think the analogy with hitler and concentration
camps is inaccurate. The writer's point that making a martyr of bin
laden could unite Muslims in very disparate countries is not far off....sympathy
will lie with the weaker side. we've been talking a lot with our friends
here about the terrorism and about Mike Martin's senseless death hiking
alone in a canyon in Utah. bob Working said, maybe it's time for America
to reassess its insolent foreign policy, its blatant overuse and waste
of the world's resources, it s ignoring of poverty and suffering; a
big tax on oil would reduce consumption and dependence on Saudi Arabian
oil and our alliance with some very repressive regimes that produce
oil...Nigeria, as well. The philosopher Susan Sontag was quoted saying
that more violence is not the answer to violence. I fear the administration
will do some spectacular strike at Afghanistan, (miss bin Laden, of
course) to satisfy the public demand for revenge and thereby alienate
many other countries and individuals who might help hunt down the perpetrators.
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Michelle
Veneziano wrote:
perhaps the most note-worthy yet:
Dear Friends,
Yesterday I heard a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to
the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio allowed that this would
mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity,
but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage," and
he asked, "What else can we do? What is your suggestion?" Minutes
later I heard a TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to
do what must be done." And I thought about these issues especially
hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for
35 years I've never lost track of what's been going on over there. So
I want to share a few thoughts with anyone who will listen. I speak as
one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my
mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York.
I fervently wish to see those monsters punished. But the Taliban and Bin
Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan.
The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who captured Afghanistan
in 1997 and have been holding the country in bondage ever since. Bin Laden
is a political criminal with a master plan. When you think Taliban, think
Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the
people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration
camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with
this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would
love for someone to eliminate the Taliban and clear out the rats nest
of international thugs holed up in their country. I guarantee it. Some
say, if that's the case, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the
Taliban themselves? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, damaged,
and incapacitated. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that
there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy,
no food.
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Millions of Afghans are widows of the approximately two million men killed
during the war with the Soviets. And the Taliban has been executing these
women for being women and have buried some of their opponents alive in
mass graves. The soil of Afghanistan is littered with land mines and almost
all the farms have been destroyed. The Afghan people have tried to overthrow
the Taliban. They haven't been able to.
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We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
Trouble with that scheme is, it's already been done. The Soviets took
care of it. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level
their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate
their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? There is no infrastructure.
Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already
did all that.
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New bombs would only land in the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at
least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban
eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide.
(They have already, I hear.) Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled
orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But
flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against
the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would be making
common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've
been raping all this time.
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So what else can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling.
The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. I
think that when people speak of "having the belly to do what needs
to be done" many of them are thinking in terms of having the belly
to kill as many as needed. They are thinking about overcoming moral qualms
about killing innocent people. But it's the belly to die not kill that's
actually on the table. Americans will die in a land war to get Bin Laden.
And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through
Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that, folks.
To get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would
they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first.
Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. The
invasion approach is a flirtation with global war between Islam and the
West.
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And that is Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants and why
he did this thing. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there.
At the moment, of course, "Islam" as such does not exist. There
are Muslims and there are Muslim countries, but no such political entity
as Islam. Bin Laden believes that if he can get a war started, he can
constitute this entity and he'd be running it. He really believes Islam
would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can
polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers.
If the West wreaks a holocaust in Muslim lands, that's a billion people
with nothing left to lose, even better from Bin Laden's point of view.
He's probably wrong about winning, in the end the west would probably
overcome- whatever that would mean in such a war; but the war would last
for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the
belly for that? Bin Laden yes, but anyone else?
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I don't have a solution. But I do believe that suffering and poverty are
the soil in which terrorism grows. Bin Laden and his cohorts want to bait
us into creating more such soil, so they and their kind can flourish.
We can't let him do that. That's my humble opinion.
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Tamim Ansary |
From: David Cohen <davidc@undergirl.com>
Dear Friends,
As only some phone calls and emails were able to get through and I was
unable to make calls and email out, I want to let you know that my family
I and are OK.
Unfortunately I watched the whole thing from my rooftop in Greenwich
Village, including the people jumping and the subsequent collapse of
the towers. I then watched the soot covered survivors walking up Lafayette
St, by my apartment like a scene from the Night of the Living Dead.
Hopefully, you don't buy into the bullsh*# that this is the work of
one man. As some of my liberal left wing friends have stated in the
past, that they do not want to state their opinions because they want
to be politically correct----- wake up! The public needs to realize
that these people responsible, truly believe that they are just being
religious, observant and loyal to their faith. I am not talking about
a small amount of people, but the millions of so called religious people.
Look at what has been happening in Israel, I am not talking about the
current parades of victory in the streets (put on CNN), I am talking
about the suicide bombings of innocents for the last 50 YEARS. There
are a lot of pseudo religious people out there willing to murder us
and our children without any guilt. People are saying that the kids
parading around celebratin do not know any better. Do you think that
they will know better when the grow up and come to America to be trained
to fly commercial airlines in Florida, or do you think they will know
better after we bring them to America for training sessions to learn
how to use the weapons we sell them. Thebombers of the World Trade Center
in 1995 were from the Palestinian Territories and Iraq. Coincidence---
I doubt it. These people are not the same as the more moderate people
of Morocco, Egypt and Jordan. They are bread to hate. Believe it or
not, slavery is still legal in certain parts of the middle east. It
is truly backwards. The Palestinians have a bad situation in Israel,
but prior to 1948, Palestine was just a territory of Jordan, Great Britain,
and the Ottoman Empire, etc. not an independent country. As bad as it
is today, conditions were a hell of a lot worse when it was under Islamic
rule. Regardless, it is no excuse to target the non-military population,
ESPECIALLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN. It is even more sickening to put their
own innocent kids in the line of fire in order to gain public sympathy.
The religious peopl actually think they are giving their kids a free
ticket to heaven. Believe it or not, my sister was leaving college yesterday
and was screamed at that "it is all the Jews fault". That's
like blaming someone for walking into someone else's neighborhood and
then getting their best friend shot because of it. I am sorry for getting
all political on you, but I have been to 7 hospitals in the last 24
hours and have seen some heavy sh*#. Terrorism has to stop here and
everywhere. If you have similar feelings, do not be quiet about it.
If you need this driven home more, wait for the death toll next week.
I actually have to go right now, because I have a 2:00 appointment to
give blood, I suggest you do the same if you live in the Tri-State area.
The hospitals have also requested clothing.
Peace,
David
From The Palestinian Chronicle
9/12/01
As news of the catastrophes poured in even as it became clear that the
death toll would be monstrous and sickening some Palestinians began
to celebrate. "America thinks it can play God, but this proves
that God is greater," said Fahmi Abu Nab, a 25-year-old driver,
who was watching the chaos unfold on television in a Jerusalem coffee
shop. "This is their punishment from God. This is a gift from God
to the Palestinian and Iraqi people. In the West Bank town of Nablus,
thousands of people poured into the street shortly after the attacks.
Several gunmen fired into the air, while other marchers carried Palestinian
flags. By Palestinian standards, these scenes are fairly small scale,
and are unlikely to represent the more ambivalent feelings of the majority.
But there were plenty who were willing to speak cheerfully of these
ghastly events. Nawal Abdel Fatah, 48, said she was happy because "America
is the head of the snake; America always stands by Israel in its war
against us".
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Thomas
Taylor wrote:
Hey Eric,I appreciate your emails & the consciousness raising. Hope
this finds you, Sherri & Violet well in these tough times. Your emails
have got me thinking, though, about what solutions they present. Having
lived through LA riots, earthquakes, fires, mudslides, etc., I've grown
a bit numb to freak occurences, though this one has left me with profound
sadness and still much anger. Along with the losses of life will be of
our privacy rights and civil liberties, no matter what the retaliation
is. These terrorists have stolen that from us all.I guess one good thing
of the WTC attack is that it's galvanized our citizens & shaken some
of the complacency (that allowed the whole event to happen). It was only
8 years ago that the bldg was bombed, so when anybody says it was a surprise,
I think not. I recall Pierre Salinger doing ABC reports from France 10-15
years ago on the menace of Osama bin Laden -- nobody seemed to care then.
We're all too busy to rush through airport security & avoid delays,
or not look over our shoulders at strange behavior. When shaken from the
complacency, we tend to over-react. We want payback.As with life, the
divisions are not black & white, and our tendency as humans is to
draw these lines. They again make us complacent. But there is a clear
division, here, against good & evil. I do think the administration,
as much as I dislike Bush, has played this correctly in making the nations
draw lines & root out terrorism or face consequences. As with any
war, innocents will perish. Countries will only isolate themselves going
forward if they choose to support criminals within their borders.Are we
so arrogant to think we have a better understanding of foreign policy
than Rice, Powell, et al? Even your email from the Afhan begging understanding
had it completely wrong in suggesting Pakistan would not permit intrusion.
On the contrary, that country has pledged their assistance and opened
their airspace to our armed forces.If somebody has a better answer to
preventing a next wave of attacks on our soil (and not acting, will only
encourage them), I would love to hear it.-- Thom |